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Shelved It #13 – Shin Megami Tensei V

More Info from Atlus

  • Genre: JRPG
  • Platform: Switch

The praise that this one got when it came out really surprised me. It’s not that I necessarily thought the praise was wrong, but SMT games are a very specific kind of niche that I didn’t think would translate well across the board. I played a ton of SMT4 on the 3DS, but even then the formula of the overall metagame felt dated. 8 years later, SMT5 brings the same fantastic combat with the same outdated metagame, and it feels even worse to me now.

If there’s anything I would point to about the game, it’s that it’s not “hard”, at least not in the traditional sense. What it often is is difficult, but artificially so and I think that’s an important distinction. The game isn’t hard in a skill-based sense. Once you know the counters to a boss, the game is trivially easy since you can build your party as a hard counter to it. What it then becomes instead is hard in a time commitment perspective. You’re now just spending time making parties that are tailored towards fighting a specific boss, capturing and fusing demons that act as defensive counters to the boss’ big attacks to allow you to fight your way through it. Even by where my levels were in the mid 20s, this had just become a colossal slog. A single level was ending up being 25-30 fights, which is far too slow a pace to be interesting. Routinely getting into boss fights that then back you up to a ton of grinding is just no longer fun to me. That brings me to my kind of three strikes of shelving this one.

The first strike was just a straight death to trash. I get that there’s some amount of danger involved in any JRPG fight. I was in the middle of a 30 minute walk between save points and came into a rare fight where the enemy went first. It got off a crit, giving it an extra turn, then finished off the main character on the second attack. There was nothing I could do because the main character dying is an instant game over. I was never given a turn to heal up. I was never given a turn to take out the enemy. 100-0 before I could do anything. Against a boss where I’m prepared, this would just suck. Against a trash mob where I’ve been walking for along time and lose a ton of progress because of the main character death rule it’s infuriating. The main character death rule is one of those things that just has to go.

The second strike was around a couple of side quests. Some of them end with you going back to the quest giver and getting into fights. These generally involve a bunch of wandering around to some random quest giver away from any save point and doing chores, so when you get to one that involves a sudden unplanned boss fight and you haven’t been conserving resources, it’s not exactly a fun time. A couple of these I got through fine, a couple of these I was clearly underleveled or needed a different party for. Losing progress to a side quest is not great.

The final strike was just hitting another boss where I was going to have to redo my entire party to act as a hard counter, and I don’t really need to cover it more than that. I had gone through four rounds and only chipped the boss down by about 25% of its health. It then got to the point where it gained its turn with guaranteed crits, did an AoE, and 100-0’d half my party in one turn. It’s not great when you get to that point because it makes it clear that you need to both grind and rework the party to hard counter it. Guaranteed time waste.

I would almost sit here and wonder if JRPGs have left me behind. At this point I lack both the time and patience to really sit around playing grindy games that force me to increase numbers instead of giving me skill-based ways out of problems. Looking at some of my recent shelved games that certainly would seem to be the case – Scarlet Nexus and Bravely Default 2 particularly come to mind. On the other hand, I’m still finishing more JRPGs than not.

FF7R, NEO: The World Ends With You, Xenoblade Chronicles and Tales of Arise are more action focused, which gives players ways to simply skill through battle. However, they are distinctly JRPGs in their meta games. On the more traditional front Yakuza 7 was incredibly grindy but had a lot of fun stuff to do around it that kept me playing for the hell of the character interactions. Fantasian and Atelier Ryza both had pretty traditional JRPG meta games, but had much better overall flow and a far more compact leveling experience so you weren’t just fighting for the sake of padding out the game’s length. In all of those cases they didn’t waste the player’s time through old mechanics. They let individual fights speak for themselves, and if you died so be it, you didn’t lose progress and you picked up having learned some things to apply to it the second time. Given those, I don’t think SMT5 is that far away from actually being actually really fucking good.

For one thing, just fucking add checkpoints and auto saves before fights. Having to manually save at places far apart from each other is a bad mechanic. Losing a ton of progress because you died to some rando is a bad mechanic. It was bad in the 80s and it’s bad today. If a player dies, return them immediately to just before the fight. Secondly, get rid of the fucking grind. Is there any point to me having to do 25-30 fights to level up? Is it accomplishing anything? Is it proving anything about me as a player? If the grind is reduced, then making parties that are specific hard counters to bosses is less of a chore and actually becomes a fun part of the meta game. If you wanna be really frisky, use the mechanic that FF13/13-2 do and just heal the player between fights. Then your fights could all be hard and you could eliminate a ton of grind. Also, get rid of the MC death = game over. I don’t care if you have to story up some bullshit, but if I have a party of four things and one of them is an instant death, that feels dumb. Let the rest of my party finish the fight. Again, don’t waste my time.

So I guess at this point I’m left here not so much wondering if JRPGs have left me behind, but if the older studios are sticking too much to tradition. A lot of what I find boring about this game is just mechanics that have aged poorly that they’re sticking to for tradition. Studios that have broke away from tradition have been the ones that have done far better. FF7R completely turned that game on its head to great effect. Tales of Arise added a much more dodge/parry focused combat, reinvigorating what had largely become an attack spam battle system. Fantasian took a turn-based system to mobile and made positioning fun while reducing grind to make a compact experience. There’s a path here for traditional games like SMT5, but they need to look at what is causing their games to be 40+ hour slogs, because there isn’t 40 hours of content here. Cleaning those things up gives them a path to be more streamlined, more fun, and importantly actually more difficult, rather than just sticking to being a grind.

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Shelved It #11 – Scarlet Nexus

More Info from Bandai Namco

  • Genre: Action RPG
  • Platfrom: PS5
  • Also Available On: PS4, PC, Xbox One, Xbox Series X|S

This game sits firmly within the good but not great quality band. It does some things well; overall world building, base combat. It does some things poorly; longevity and balance curve, storytelling choices. Where it ends up fitting is that while I was having fun when I was playing the game, it ended up missing that thing that really grabbed me to keep playing the game, or even choose it over others. With Skyward Sword coming in yesterday and Diablo III on Switch back to filling a lot of smaller time gaps, it lost the battle.

Combat is where the game really continued to draw me in, but it’s also where the game ultimately caused me to back away, so we’ll start there.

The game is an action RPG that combines pretty basic controls (a couple of attacks and dodge) with a more complex backing system of powers. The powers are where the real interest lies. This runs the range from gravity manipulation to time manipulation to electric attack buffs. The gravity manipulation is also the player’s core ability, and it’s tied to a meter charged via attacks. What this ends up doing is causing a satisfying rhythm to form in combat. Do a few attacks up close, dodge out to range, then lay in with the telekenesis attacks.

Where this really gets fun is that you’re effectively borrowing and combining powers from your party members to activate and use to your advantage. Enemy goes into hiding when you get close? Combine time manipulation to slow them down with electric to stun them. Need to knock a flying monster out of the air? Use the duplication power combined with the player’s own gravity manipulation to huck some projectiles their way. The combinations are a lot of fun to learn.

However, that learning stopped far too early. By about the 10 hour mark, I was no longer seeing new enemies. Sure, their levels would be higher, and sure they may have some new wrinkles in terms of debuffs or actions, but the approach was the same. This was also met with an unfortunately common tactic of just adding more. More enemies, more debuffs, more ranged attacks being thrown your way. Rather than being rhythmic, the combat became chaotic. It was no longer challenging because of learning and using the right things, but challenging because the window to attack became so small. I’d run around dodging things until my powers came up (particularly the time manipulation and invisibility), get in a few attacks, then go back to dodging. It was slow and trudging, which is the opposite of the first 10 hours, which are fast and exciting.

Typically speaking that wouldn’t have been enough to run me away from the game, but the story side of things was similarly unbalanced in terms of how I liked it.

The world building side of all of this was something I really liked. The tl;dr is that this is a future Earth where some apocalypse event caused by an atmospheric belt has caused demonic monsters to invade and attack humanity. Humanity has managed to get to a point where people are basically part of two classes – those with powers and those without, and those with powers are effectively conscripted into the military to defend the remains of humanity, while those without are shunned. At its core, this is a fun potential setting, and in a lot of ways the first arc of the game is really enjoyable. I was able to sink into the setting while enjoying the way that the events around was presented.

However, again around the 10 hour mark things started to sour. At this point, the split character choice at the beginning of the game reared its ugly side. This point of the game put me in a place where the two main character’s stories diverged heavily. What this ended up resulting in as far as the first play through goes is that I was seeing one side of the game, then when the two stories intersected there was a big knowledge gap and a lot of “how the hell did you guys get here?”. Since seeing the other side of the story involves starting from scratch, it left a lot of confusion. It’s not that I inherently like games that hop you between two characters a lot, but it solves this issue particularly well, and it becomes pretty obvious why hopping characters in a split story is a better option. Ultimately I think the anime that’s currently running will do a much better job of keeping my attention since it will avoid this issue.

I guess the unfortunate thing is I’m left wanting to like this game more than I did. It has enough going positively for it that it doesn’t feel that far away from being a truly good game. The things that I find wrong with it aren’t egregious problems, but are polish issues that never happened. What it ended up being was a game that couldn’t keep my attention in long enough stints to allow me to finish it before something higher priority came out, and with so much coming out every month it’s hard for me to give it a boost above so many other things.

What I will say is that I would probably recommend catching the anime. It may not be the most original, but there’s an interesting core world here, and presented in a fashion that does a better job of making a coherent story path, I think there’s a lot to enjoy – just not quite in a game form.

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Shelved It #10 – Infinite Undiscovery

  • Genre: JRPG
  • Platform: Xbox 360 via Series X compatibility

This is one that was sort of floating around in the ether for me for a long time. It’s a JRPG from a company (tri-Ace) that I’ve tended to like, but historically has had a lot of ups and downs. Critically, this one was definitely one of their down moments. It has decent combat, but the mechanics around it are often pretty questionable leading to a vague, if not frustrating experience that ends up feeling less like skill and more like trial and error grinding.

The core combat of this one typically would be fine for me to keep wanting to play. It’s action-based, but distinctly a JRPG in terms of stats, buffs, debuffs, etc. Where there’s simplicity in controls, there’s a lot of depth in their use. For example, different combos (A-B, A-A-B, etc) can have different results. Some are knockups, allowing you to juggle your enemy in the air. Some are knockdowns. Some are AoE attacks. Learning which to use at the right time is core to effective combat and has really good overall combat rhythm. You can also link with your active party members and use skills related to them. It can be a bit awkward in the 15+ year old game sense, but more often than not it works well.

Where the game really falls apart is in the specific mechanics often tied to a dungeon.

For example, the first dungeon in the game requires you to mind control two specific enemies to a door as sacrifices to unlock it. In isolation, that’s a really cool idea. However, it requires a few things – the knowledge that one of your party members has an ability that can mind control enemies, the knowledge that it can be used to do more than talk to NPC animals, and then the luck to have them actually hit the ability. There’s a bunch of things in that list of things that you just kind of have to accidentally stumble upon, because they don’t teach you.

However, the fight that ultimately did me in was one that I thought was obvious, but just downright frustrating – and as it turned out, was not obvious. I was fighting a boss that could go in and out of visibility on a timer that could lead to my failure. Of note, this was only the second time I was fighting one of these types of battles. The main character has a flute that could bring the boss out of the invis state, allowing the party to attack….except the main character could not attack him. I figured this was intended, and was just frustrated at my AI characters inconsistently attacking. Due to AI issues, I ran out of time and hit a game over, losing me a bunch of time of backtracking in the process. Looking online afterwards, it turns out that my main character had gained a skill that allowed him to attack these shifting enemies, and I had gained it almost 20 levels earlier. Didn’t know it had that secret power, sure as hell never saw it in the description or had any reason to care about it when I earned it 5+ hours ago. Now that I knew about the mechanic? Trivial fight.

It’s that level of inconsistency that follows with other tri-Ace releases. Games like the previous Star Ocean, which had really fun combat but was mechanically inconsistent surrounding it. Games like Resonance of Fate, that had interesting weapon mechanics, but pretty rough story and visuals. This one shows its bad side in those forced mechanics. They don’t make the game more fun or interesting or better. They don’t bring a level of inherent skill to the fights. They simply provide a guessing game of which thing you have in your possession that you never quite read the description of, or never quite saw the meaning of, or got hours ago and forgot existed. Once you figure out the mechanic, it’s easy, but until then it’s a wild guess, and honestly just not worth playing.